This discussion reminds me of something Ann Coulter said. I think I may have heard her say it on television. It was, "Conservatives believe in God. Liberals believe they are God!"

Now let's look at the idea of responsibility. I, like Hitler, believe that I am responsible for how cold or wet I become. I therefore take that responsibility seriously enough to put on my overcoat when it's cold and to come inside when it rains. Perhaps there could be a person who thought that it was God's responsibility to take care of me and that for me to think that it was my responsibility to wear an overcoat or come in out of the rain is a sign of arrogance. Take Ann Coulter's position and move it from politics to medicine. According to her, if I am sick I should just pray to God. I shouldn't consult a physicion who is one of those liberals who thinks it is possible to take responsibility in health matters. He is "playing God" to practice medicine.

So whose responsibility is the welfare and life opportunities of human beings? Should we leave these matters strictly up to God? I firmly believe that our welfare is our responsibility and that we should take this responsibility very seriously and not leave it up to God.

And to DWA, who said I was placing too much emphasis on nurture over nature, I would say that where humans are concerned nurture is clearly more important than it is for bears. Language is a clear advantage, but no one is born with language. We all have to learn it. Learning is nurture. Bears can't learn language, and its advantages are a complete mystery to them!

And also to DWA I'd like to remind him that resources are indeed limited as long as we are confined to one planet.

And to Boris, let me ask how he decides what is "the issue". He says, " . . it should not be the issue as to whether or not to abort." This sounds like he is pulling an Ann Coulter on us. He wants to leave the question of life or death of an embryo up to God. In the natural course of events a considerable number of embryos are aborted due to "natural causes". Maybe Boris thinks that God decides those issues and that we should leave it up to him.

It's the underlying structure of the thinking that I am trying to reveal here. What unspoken assumptions are there?