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FF rush-to-judgement "science" flawed, unevolved?
Re: Obamas Minister - HIV-AIDS is a eugenics de-population agenda -- Federal Farmer Post Reply Top of the thread Forum
Posted by: DWA
04/05/2008, 12:53:21

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So far, I have not had time to study your links, FF. Maybe later. Have you done that yourself? Let's hear of your own vetting/addition/analysis/translation/interpretation?

I see a finger-pointing premature "victim"-evildoer presumption to promote an agitating propaganda agenda connected to race. Recently I have heard serious-appearing (black actor, slightly stretching the truth?) people refer on t.v. to the "Tuskegee Experiment" as deliberately causing the venereal disease. My understanding was, in fact, the "experimenters" merely withheld specific remedial treatment, to see how the disease would run its course, relying on the various natural bodily defenses. Unethical, yes, but not deliberately maliciously infecting the victims. Compare: Various tentative cancer treatments that may add to, not reduce suffering. One old treatment for veneral disease involved heavy metal poisons.

Resolute victim-posturers will probably even have issues with this Wikipedia treatment:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

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In 1932, when the study started, standard treatments for syphilis were toxic, dangerous, and of questionable effectiveness. Part of the original goal of the study was to determine if patients were better off not being treated with these toxic remedies.

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Prior to this discovery, syphilis frequently led to a chronic, painful and fatal multisystem disease. Rather than treat all syphilitic subjects with penicillin and close the study, or split off a control group for testing penicillin; the Tuskegee scientists withheld penicillin and information about penicillin, purely to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. Participants were also prevented from accessing syphilis treatment programs that were available to other people in the area. The study continued until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination."

Your basic evident theme, however, FF, of AIDS being an invented biological mechanism would indeed be revolutionary, and if true, we can expect a Pandora's Box of more good and bad things in our uncertain future in this infernal "natural world". As with nuclear power, cellular biology manipulation is a multi-edged sword.

Mercifully, the AIDS is now sufficiently well understood, to be able to be detected now in blood transfusions, and to be avoided. Mercifully also, that Tuskeegee experiment will not be repeated, not at Tuskeegee, anyway. Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses, kosher law writers, or vegetarians were on to something about "blood", blood transfusions, ya think? It could be easily theorised that some/all kosher/halal laws originated also in Africa, with the Egyptian civilization. OYOH, most people can rest easy about catching AIDS, as long as they rubberize, choose friends/intimate associates carefully, or don't pick their running syphillis or gonorrhea sores before having the random hedonistic unnecessary sex.


http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=NEWS_letter_president_03042005_BA_evolution

The Evolution Controversy in Our Schools

Letter to Academy members from President Bruce Alberts

March 4, 2005

Second paragraph:"On February 7, 2005, Michael Behe, a founder and leading proponent of the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, published a long Op-Ed in the New York Times in response to an editorial that the Times had released the previous week. In that letter, Dr. Behe claimed that some words I wrote support his view that scientific explanations for the evolution of life on the Earth need to be modified to insert the work of an "intelligent designer".

Compare/contrast, this statement by new editor Bruce Albert in Science, p. 1733, 28 March 2008:


"I have been part of a team writing a cell biology textbook for 30 years. With each new edition, the authors are repeatedly struck by the fact that scientists still know only a small fraction of what is needed to understand even the simplest bacterial cell. The knowledge gap is of course greater for scientists trying to come to grips with multicellularity; that is, with the workings of an organism like a fruit fly or a human, in which many billions of individual cells must cooperate to produce an individual."

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. The title of the Bruce Alberts editorial there is "Shortcuts to Medical Progress?". I submit that shortcuts have also been taken in the pursuit of "evolution" certainty.

Better, perhaps, would be to focus on and compare the short-cut Reverend Jeremiah Wright endorsed/touted reasoning that connects AIDS to a deliberate human design. I submit that humans aren't quite ***that*** "intelligent" yet, and episodic examples persist.

In the Tuskeegee Experiment, the medical ethics lapse by "scientists" who should have known better stands as a monumental illustration of agendaed "science". With Rev. Wright, I don't think it was much as any kind of "experiment" as just a usual demagogic crowd-stirring agenda.

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