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So basically, you have a problem with people who deal in facts.
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Posted by: crossbowman
07/31/2008, 00:05:04

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Science deals in facts. They don't always draw the right conclusions from those facts - I understand there's a debate now on whether climate change is causing more or fewer hurricanes - but at least they start from facts. Placing them on a pedestal and taking their every word as gospel - as the media is prone to do - is a serious mistake, but so is demonizing them and reflexively discounting everything they say.

Rather than responding reflexively and without thought, why not examine the facts underlying their claims and draw your own conclusions. Then we'd have something to debate about. The evidence for global warming is pretty strong. However, much of that same evidence seems to suggest that, while it may indeed be our collective "fault", it may be beyond our collective power to control. For all the blame on Bush, this is a phenomenon that took decades and the collective behavior of billions of people to build up, and convincing billions of people to give up the "lifestyles of the rich and famous" and settle for less - when a heck of a lot of them are just now finding the good life within their reach - is one hell of a difficult geopolitical hurdle to make.

Our best bet, as DW points out, might be some combination of technological solutions, although some of his ideas are pretty close to impossible just on scale. However, we've made significant technological advances over the past few decades and are likely to continue to make significant advances. The emerging nations pursuing their own paths to success will have different priorities once they've achieved their immediate goals, and by then we'll have tested out the alternatives and identified the best options, making their paths toward change cheaper and easier.

In the meantime, we're likely to suffer a bit of discomfort, some loss of vulnerable species, maybe lose a few islands and see our coastal cities come up with some interesting solutions to rising sea levels - but being a student of history and social trends, I can't see how we can really avoid that part of it. Nor do I see much benefit in blaming one short-term leader in one nation for decades-long global trends - even if I don't like him much.

"Robbins’s claim fails because the Hobbs Act does not apply when the National Government is the intended beneficiary of the allegedly extortionate acts."

WILKIE ET AL. v. ROBBINS. David H. Souter, Justice, U.S. Supreme Court
with John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy,
Clarence Thomas, Stephen Breyer, and Samuel Alito concurring.


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