Again Angus, "always" instantly debilitates your airtightness. It does reveal IMO your own leaky thought modes, however. He stood on the sidelines for extended period on the "foetus" even "an animal" question, as I recall.

I do appreciate his clear, strong, even probably correct stand on some issues.

It should not be as difficult as Frank portrays to conclude that a human foetus is not a vegetable, or a mere mineral, and actually IS "an animal" individual.

I myself sensitively detect some posturing by Crossbowman, usually leaning against my own push, actually. That's the stuff that enables exploratory vigorous debate, actually.