What I think is ... (redo)

What I think is ... (redo)
Re: Re: Re: can you trust a monkey swearing on a stack of Bibles? -- Angus Cunningham	Post Reply		Forum

Posted by: cyanidefreak
06/25/2009, 10:12:42

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your statement, "...competition for basics leads to aggression even in the normally more gentle female segment of the population..." deserves some examination.

The first part, "competition for basics leads to aggression," I would think is axiomatic both interspecifically and intraspecifically, and that it is the major subject of fundamental model building in evolutionary science. I trust that this can easily be shown by perusing any introductory evolutionary biology text book. It is also, I think, an adamantly conserved genetic component across the animal kingdom and the major stumbling block to IHXENs replacing IAXAs.

The second part, "normally more gentle female segment of the population," I think is an assumption on your part I beg you to explain.

Just for kicks, you might examine the differences between social structures in chimps, bonobos, Hamadryas and Savanna baboons. Oddly, you might find human social structure is quite different than our closest cousins and that in general females play different roles in each species.

Where's that article you are referring to? It sounds interesting. I searched the National Post on Line but I couldn't find it. What's the title?
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After reading your post again i realized that the article made it seem as if infanticide among chimps is a female only hobby. It's not. Goodall was one of the first to observe it back in the 70s. If you have a National Geographic collection look in it around 1976 - 77. I'm going to go dig through some here in a minute. Anyway, I recall that there was what seemed like all out war going on between some groups of chimps back then including infanticide. Males were killing babies just as much as females. These days, instances of this type of behavior get blamed on human encroachment. But I don't think that could explain the behavior observed by Goodall as the range of communities involved never encountered human settlements - but I will have to go back and look. Anyway, my point is that it's not just the girl chimps who kill baby chimps.

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