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The utopian dilemma
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Posted by: crossbowman
05/07/2008, 17:58:35

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I am reminded of the utopian philosphers of the past. They correctly surmised that, if we could create a society that operated on healthier principals, we would achieve healthier individuals and a healthier society. On attempting to put those principals into action, however, they invariably failed. Why? Because the problem was not one of, "what's the healthiest society", but one of, "how do you move THIS society in THAT direction AND KEEP IT THERE in the face of adulteration from neighboring societies."

You correctly state that if there were no guns, there would be less injury. The outcome equation is basic, and has been understood in law enforcement for decades if not centuries: Act = motive + method + opportunity. Limit people to a less efficient method, and you will reduce the scope and severity of the resulting acts.

Beyond the fact that this answer does not actually change the motive element of the equation - you haven't actually made a better society, you've just made one that has to make due with less effective methods of injury - there is the problem that Sean has often pointed out. In actual attempts to implement the model you propose, the results have been...well...equivocal at best. The Utopian problem comes into play: you ban the guns, but the guns that were there in the first place take decades to get weeded out of the system as the result of the active effort of the criminal element to retain them, with the further result that the effectiveness of your solution is questioned and you lose public support before your solution can reach its optimal effectiveness, and neighboring systems remain an illicit source of contamination so long as they do not follow your model.

You haven't actually addressed this problem, and I don't think that calling Sean names is going to make it go away. Law is not the solution. You need a tipping point, a solution that tips society itself away from wanting weapons so that society continues to embrace your gun-free ideal even during the rough early period when its effectiveness is not evident. You need, in other words, to address the motive variable rather than the method variable.

"Robbins’s claim fails because the Hobbs Act does not apply when the National Government is the intended beneficiary of the allegedly extortionate acts."

WILKIE ET AL. v. ROBBINS. David H. Souter, Justice, U.S. Supreme Court
with John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy,
Clarence Thomas, Stephen Breyer, and Samuel Alito concurring.


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