Americas problem is the commerce sector runs the
government. (In steps the multinational corporations/global elite/World
Government)
Years ago, John Bates posted the following message to The Truth Tree's
General Message Board. I have edited it somewhat and with his permission submit
it as the first part of The Truth Tree's Position Statement on World Government.
Begin quote:
Some while ago, after watching on television the suffering of so many people
throughout the world, I decided to try to write a book--one that would encourage
people of all nations to work together in an effort to ease some of this
suffering. Bringing about constructive changes in this direction will require a
unified world effort which has never been possible in the past. Now, however, we
have satellite instant world-wide television, pocket audible electronic language
translators, and, best of all, the Internet.
Soon after the onset of my research into how this might be achieved it became
obvious that the two biggest stumbling blocks were going to be religion and
nationalism. And the greater of these is undoubtedly religion. So it would
seem that when it comes to helping people to help themselves the only possible
way to achieve any beneficial results is, first, prove the harmfulness and
absolute futility of religions and to render them all impotent. Expecting the
religions to settle their differences is unrealistic.
Religion & Nationalism: 2 sides of a controlled argument?
There is only one "stumbling block" disinformation (or withholding of
information)
To a true patriot Religion, Nationalism, and Humanity are all the same.
I feel quite sorry for John Bates if the ideas expressed above are his true
thoughts.
Does anyone have a clear definition of Love, or know exactly what it is?
According to Mr. Bates Love as well as God does not exist.
Although I understand his distrust for organized religion, religion is only a
part of society.
Society as a whole is not completely defined by it's religion.
If you look at different religions they all have more in common than they have
in differences.
Honesty, compassion, peace... Sounds like good building blocks to me.
However, there is reason for optimism. Today, people the world over are more
sensible than they have ever been in the past, and logically so. They now have
at their disposal all the past knowledge that others before them never had.
Religious and Political leaders
both used to restrict access to knowledge
that would undermine their power. This restriction is no longer possible now
that the information revolution has provided almost instant access to almost any
information anyone could want to obtain. This fact should make the task
considerably less difficult.
Don't be fooled. digital information is as much if not
more easily manipulated.
So, after weighing the feelings of the many religious individuals against the
positive worldwide greater gain which could be realized by neutralizing religion
(the mental debate for this decision took only seconds,) we come to the
important business of attacking religion in a constructive but effective way.
(attacking anything is not constructive) That so
many apparently sane and sensible people all over the world can believe in any
part of any religion is a miracle in itself. How can they? Religions are evil!
They have caused and continue to cause more wars, more hatred, more fear and
frustration than all the world's geological disasters put together.
I wholeheartedly agree Organized Religion is bad, but
it is those that live without religion (honesty, compassion, and peace) that are
causing all the problems. George Bush's ideas/thoughts have probably killed more
people than Bin Laden's at this point. Is he really a religious person? (Bush is
a patsy, the real power lays beyond him)
Religion defeats itself. How can it be that each of the hundreds of religions
that exist around the world can be believed by so many when each of these
hundreds of religions claims to be the "one true religion?" The only true
religion is no religion at all! Religions are by far the greatest shackles
Mankind has ever had to endure. To list the atrocities committed in the name of
religions would require a thicker book than the Bible. The money and time wasted
because of religion is truly phenomenal. Think of the cost! All the religious
artifacts all over the World; Churches, Cathedrals, Mosques, Shrines, Paintings,
Engravings, Carvings etc, etc. All the wages for more than 1500 years. Enough to
make every starving child a millionaire. And time! In the time that people and
parsons have stood singing, dancing, and praying they could have built the
Universe. Oh! Praying! When the children are starving don't do anything
practical to help them; just pray! To wait in hope for help from a god is not
constructive, it is positively destructive! The mind blows and more children
starve. These are some of the costs of retaining religions. But these costs
become next to nothing when one considers the human cost. No, not just the time
billions of people have wasted in the churches, not just the money these people
paid that enabled the religions to make a profit even after all the
above-mentioned expenditures, but consider the staggering human mental cost of
these ridiculous useless belief systems. The lives wasted, the fear propagated,
all the religious myths that caused so much hardship and suffering over so many
years: People afraid to die for fear of burning in the religiously concocted
"Hell fires." Even the great teacher known as "the prince of peace" mentioned
the fires of Hell. The effects of this and other religious teachings have caused
thousands of people to burn themselves and to torture others in order to prepare
them for the agonies they expected to endure in purgatory. It is only 200 years
since the last women and children were burned alive as so- called witches. Many
believers lived in constant fear. The diaries of writers and poets over hundreds
of years make horrendous reading. They describe the many tortures they inflicted
on each other, the years they spent terrified, even though they had committed no
crime whatsoever. "Hell" is such a stupid vile concept, devised by greedy evil
people in order to control and exploit their fellow men and women. Religious
sexual laws imposed many additional hardships upon families. Another sad aspect
is the number of people who blame themselves after some tragic occurrence has
taken place. They cry out, "What have I done wrong to offend my God so much that
he would do this to me?" Many people are very badly affected by this even though
they know that they have done nothing wrong. Why do people torture themselves
and blame themselves? Why, oh why? It is because they have been taught the
concept of "sin" by religious teachers who need for their followers to suffer so
that they will seek solace in religion!
Most of this is just a rant of rhetoric.
I do believe the idea of sin was a creation of evil people as a form of control
over their subjects.
"If you don't do what I tell you, you will have an eternity of less than
desirable circumstances."
Have I made bad decisions, Yes... but that does not make me an evil person nor a
"sinner"..
I was just a person who did not have all the information I needed to make a good
decision.
(I am sure god will forgive me for not knowing something, the real question is
can I forgive myself)
John Bates needs to redefine his idea of religion.
People intrinsically know the difference between right and wrong. (this in
itself is a religion)
God does not force you to choose a good life so why do people of god force you
to live by their interpretation of the rules?
(I thought this was world government not religion??)
To be a shift for the good be more encompassing to expect a religion less planet
is unrealistic.
Humans are as much about religion as we are flesh and bone.
A good topic/project would be to blend all religions, we really do have more in
common than we do in differences.
Evil, power, money, global elite exaggerate the differences against us.
If we fight amongst ourselves we will overlook the people doing it to us.
If we are missing pieces of information we will make bad decisions......
See how this works? it is so simple.......
Once you learn to see the "Matrix" you are actually sickened by it. Mainly
because it is so easy to fix if people would just pay attention..
Just as many fail to see the Matrix at this time, many fail to see God. But yet
they are both all around us.
(Ohh that is GOOD!) LOL
At one time in my life I may have written something very similar to what Mstr.
Bates has, but because I continue to have an open mind and "question" my own
religion/beliefs/moral compass I have found greater truths.
There should never be an issue with questioning your religion.
Truth, Love, and God are all the same, and if "YOU" allow it they will all cause
you pain and suffering.
Pain and suffering are not necessarily evil.... but it is a good indicator you
or someone else is not living with Truth, Love, Compassion, God. Just for fun
take a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. At the top of the two
columns write "good" and "bad". Now try to categorize everything you can think
of into those two groups.
good | bad
God | Evil
love | hate
compassion | not caring
life |
pain | pain
In my example you may have been inclined to put death opposite of life (for many
years I did, but then I assimilated new information)
Also you may wonder how pain can be in both columns.
If you did not feel pain you would not know anything is wrong.
The knowledge of something being wrong is good.
Please question your reality, nothing can grow without change.
Only this week, the wife of a very poor man died. He had struggled
desperately to look after her during a long period of illness. After her death
it was discovered that she had money but that she had bequeathed it in her will
to the church. One may say "But people need Religion." Yes, some do, but only
because they have been purposely taught to need it by their particular religious
group, be it any one of the 5OO or more all set to take your money and brainwash
you and your children anew.
I can only hope he goes after crooked politicians as well
as he does crooked religious figures.
I am starting to see all the similarities between Organized Religion and
Organized Politics..
When many wonderful inspiring deeds and kindnesses are performed by religious
people (and there are many) it is the people who deserve the credit, not the
religion. (Amen Brother :-) The same well-meaning
people would do the same without a religion. They would find a way of their own.
There have been many non-religious philanthropists. What has any religion ever
achieved? Apart from creating hatred, nothing!
Here is one of my favorite hypocrisies.
Because some aspects of religion have been corrupted we should eliminate all
religions, therefore
because some aspects of government have been corrupted we should eliminate all
governments.
ROFLMAO (one could replace the word government with religion thought this paper
and it would still make sense)
When a religion uses a god, supposedly omnipotent omnipresent and
omnibenevolent, the congregations are made to believe that that god created and
controls the whole world. How can one reconcile this with the fact that there
are other religions with their own myths using entirely different gods each
believing that theirs is the only god. This means that really to believe your
own religion is an insult to all the others!
Different religions have used fundamentally contradictory concepts for the
world's creation. If God created the Universe twelve to fifteen billion years
ago, wasn't he a bit old to have a son yesterday, so to speak? And if he created
man in his own image, then he too must have been algae in the same primordial
soup. Do religious people purposely have no interest in archaeology or geology?
Could it be they are afraid of these subjects? How can they doubt the mountains
of evidence these disciplines have provided? Today we should all know that
evolution is fact. Indisputable fact. We should all know that mankind has
inhabited the world for millions of years. It can be seen to be fact.
Archaeologists and paleontologists are digging up the bones on a daily
basis--everything from dinosaurs to prehistoric men and sabre toothed tigers.
Yet some people still believe in ideas that were concocted and written as books
which supposedly came from God or from "the gods." We have the Torah, the New
Testament, the Vedas and Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, the
Koran and many many others. There are probably hundreds more religions kicking
about out there each with its own holy book. How can any of it be true? It is
just not possible!
But is it so surprising? When we have all been indoctrinated with some aspect
of religion/political belief/social norms from birth, first by our mothers, then the school, then the legions
of preachers and priests. And don't forget the soothsayers and witchdoctors!
No, it's not surprising. It's sad, especially when one can see it happening
to tiny children. They, the most vulnerable of us, should certainly not be
taught to believe lies that create hate. They should be taught to love their
neighbours--not just those in their neighbourhoods but all their neighbours
worldwide.
We don't need religions. We have enough disease. We need truth and trust.
What can we do to bring Mankind together? The key is communication. Free, open,
truthful communication will either cure or alleviate many of the world's
insanities.
Nota bene:
(1) We live in a chaotic, unplanned world. Alert people to this fact.
(2) Advertise worldwide that what is called "national sovereignty" is the
equivalent of advocating street gangs on a worldwide scale.
He is assuming because our "leaders" want or were led to
believe that we must war with one another that all of the nation wants the same
thing. 70% of our military wants to leave Iraq, 80% of Americans want to leave
Iraq... why are we still there?
Don't confuse corrupt leadership with National Sovereignty. If there were only
10 nations and one of them fell into a dictatorship, there would be nine others
to help the one. If there were only one nation who would come to help if it fell
into a dictatorship?
Evil people will always seek power this is a reality we need to teach more.
Not everyone seeking power is evil however.
(2) Learn how nations have been created and how groups of nations, states, or
provinces have cooperated in the past to their mutual benefit. Then promote
these ideas.
Nationalism may not be as difficult to break down as religion probably will
be. Perhaps the best weapon against the idiotic chauvinism that despots can use
to create war is to expose the deceptions and connivings that every existing
country in the world has in its history. These ill deeds are typically covered
up by various shenanigans of the press and the established authorities.
(he does recognize an aspect of the matrix) We
should endeavor to unmask these unsavory secrets (like the
federal reserve) and publish them so that
millions will be much harder to fool than they have been in the past. Revealing
the (thousands of) hundred years secret lists will help. Some of the deeds perpetrated by
Britain and America should help to remove their undeserved majesty and bring a
breath of fresh air into the argument. Religions, as we have pointed out, may
not be so easy. There are so few people who don't believe in god that they could
almost be ignored. To cancel the effects of years of continual brain washing will
take some time. However, so much truth about all those religions can now be sent
worldwide via one or more of our miraculous cyber-tools. Many atrocities have
been and are still being committed in the name of religion. Accurate portrayal
of these sordid truths should help to counteract the religious propaganda. The
existence of so many diverse cults with so many conflicting claims should not be
allowed to remain secret. The salient features of these insane group hysterias
should be shouted from the roof tops. Humanity will soon see reality. There are
mountains of documented history in libraries and vaults, proving just who
"bribed the scribes" in order to manipulate the masses. There are lists of
documented deeds, invidious, horrendous, obnoxious deeds they have all
committed. These should be placed on the Internet where people will find them.
It can be done. With truthful education, common sense must prevail. The cost of
retaining Religion and Nationalism is tremendous, but the gains that will accrue
from working in unison are astronomical. Of the world's wealth, 95% is currently
being controlled by one billion of the world's people. The remaining 5% is left
for the other four billion. The world in a very large alien universe is a minute
speck. One day people will convert to Worldism. But how soon?
I would like to hear your thoughts on the feasablity of the above. Post
messages here on The Truth Tree.
End Quote. As Grouch has pointed out (in the message board) John's letter
emphasizes religion as an obstacle to world government. There can be no doubt
that religion is a significant problem, but The Truth Tree (Remi, that is) takes
the position that whatever one may say about religion and its many irrational
features, it is an important part of the social landscape of the human race and
isn't going to go away just because of its irrationalities. An interesting test
for any intellectual would be to prognosticate the future course of religion. In
so doing he would reveal much about his world view. So while the Tree agrees
with John's complaints about religion to a significant degree, it does not
believe that abolishing religion would be either possible nor desirable. There
are elements within the major religions which are just what is needed to
increase feelings of brotherhood between different peoples and to stimulate the
accurate perception of the need for some better way for nations to cooperate
than what they have so far achieved. Perhaps the most salient reason for
establishing some form of world government or federation is the prevention of
war. You must realize that those most pushing for world
government are also those instigating all the conflicts. Another is to provide a forum or deliberative body to assess the many supernational problems, such as world population and the preservation or
management of the terrestrial environment, which if left to the individual
nations would in all likelihood receive scant attention.
(in steps the Internet) We already have in our
history the needed guidelines. We have seen how wars between city states become
irrelevant when they join small nations and how the enmities between small
nations can be successfully mitigated when small nations join together in larger
nations. The history of governments provides guidelines for the structural
requirements of the needed world government including the necessary parts such
as executive, legislative, and judicial as well as the principle of checks and
balances.
The dangers of large nations (my own personal fear of
world government) is that America in one manner is 50 little countries, we all
have our own state constitutions, and there are supposed to be lines drawn
between what our Federal government can fore a state to do. Unfortunately I see
a huge corrupted federal bureaucracy ballooning out of control. I would hate to
see the "United Nations" corrupted and ballooning out of control..... Oh wait IT
IS..... Wake the fuck up people PLEASE.
Many people of a libertarian turn of mind (that is me
:-) have an automatic horror of the
word government. Government can indeed be most troublesome and the
main source of
many evils. Constructing a manageable government which will not run out of
control is perhaps analogous to constructing a rocket that doesn't explode. We
should not blind ourselves to the necessary functions of government just because
we have an acute sensitivity to the possible ways in which government can go
wrong.
Note:
If you look closely I believe you will find most of the religious corruption
comes from the political arena.
I do agree though government (organized social existence)
is necessary, Libertarians (at least me) actually fear the people who wish to
control it. Big government will be corrupt there is no escaping it, it
borderlines a law of nature almost.
Simply having the grid work/blueprint for a government is not enough.
It takes people of the utmost character to run it. People of Truth, Honesty,
Compassion, Love and "what is it there is one more thing that belongs in this
list of common variables.... Hmmmm (-;
Think of a pyramid; a few at the top and many at the bottom... the many serve
the few.
Turn it upside down.... many at the top, few at the bottom.... the few serve the
many.
Do we have kings or do we have public servants?
Never before in the history of the world has it been possible for virtually
any two people on the planet to converse with each other at will. Even the
language barrier has been significantly reduced by services such as Systran.
Using this service you can compose a message in your own native language and
send it to the other person in his native language. Then he can reply to you by
reversing the process. Try it! it works surprisingly well! The Truth Tree would
like to invite speakers of languages other than English to participate. (I note
that at this time the German translation is not as good as the French.)
Every once in a while technology or our "clever thinking"
revolutionizes humanity in profound ways.
We are on the doorstep of the next revolution.
Will we have tyrants who have succeeded in dominating the planet?
Or will we have a humanity with new found compassion and intelligence we cant
imagine?
Good and Evil are really the only two outcomes in any situation.
This is the reason evil has to control both sides of the argument, it can not
argue with the truth.
Another Thought on Religion.....
Do we need to homogenize into one, or can the commonalities between them be
enough?
I suspect once we weed out the corruption/evil that answer will present itself.
We (I do not, at this time,) support the creation of The European Union with the hope that other unions
will take place upon the other continents, evolving into one day a world
government.
The only global thing we need is HONEST INFORMATION.
9/11 is lie, where does it go from there?
Let there be an end to artificial and meaningless barriers between
geographical regions people!
Amen Brother....
We are on the verge of redefining humanity in a very big way.
Redefine: to change the nature or scope of something to be understood
differently.
Your Friend in Freedom
Federal Farmer
…the knowledge of the man who acts and thinks within the world of his daily life is not homogeneous;
it is (1) incoherent, (2) only partially clear, and (3) not at all free from contradictions
a long time ago a conversation was started on the
internet...............
What should we say?
I don't know
It should be a message of peace love and brotherly understanding.
I will second that.
Yea
Do we understand our places and where we need to be?
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