DWA does have "some" good points if he would only put more effort into moderation. Reminds me of a conversation I was having with one of my prime mentors some twenty years ago, and he ask me, "Darrell what percent of counselors do you think are doing an effectively good job at helping people?".

My response was "Well I think that maybe as many as seventy percent of them probably need more help than those that come to see them".

His response, "It isn't necessary to be generous, it's maybe closer to eighty percent".

The "boot" camp thingy as well as groups like "Straight" seems to make this assessment valid. There is a gross difference between "feeling" better, and "Getting" better! IMO!

Thanks for your input. Wise words that others can relate to and put into use. This IS NOT about an EGO thing, or feeding each other cheese, this is about making a contribution to mental health. And you help make many of things a lot more clear.

Even DWA is at a loss as to how to throw what is presented under the bus, and at the same time remain honest with himself. Some profess "you can't change people", I say "Bull Shit". Not always a walk in the park, but you can help make it happen.